A typical B-17 was flown by a pilot and co-pilot with a crew of eight others, including gunners. I say typical because sometimes the numbers of gunners varied. In addition, I understand that later on in WW II, the navigator and bombardier positions were combined into one position done by one man.
- The pilot was the commander of the crew. In addition to being the pilot in command of the B-17, he was responsible for all aspects of crew training, discipline, safety and efficiency 24/7. But he was more than the commander, he was also one of the crew.
- The co-pilot was the executive officer. He must be as familiar as the pilot with all aspects of flying the B-17, ready to take over both as pilot and commander if necessary. The B-17 required a flight crew of two to fly the plane. For example, the co-pilot monitored and adjusted the power systems and performed a number of vital tasks from taxiing to take-off to climbing to flying to flying to and from the bombing target to approaching home base to landing.
- The task of navigating to and from the target was the job of the navigator using one or more of: (1) dead reckoning - using charts and visual references; (2) pilotage - using charts along with time, distance, and speed calculations; (3) use of radio navigation aides; and (4) using the sun observations or at night using stars and planets.
- As the B-17 arrived at the target, the bombardier takes over command of the plane (including flying) as they approached the bomb target. When they arrived at the target he released the bombs. Accurate bombing was crucial and that was the bombardier’s responsibility.
- Communications, working the radios, and keeping the radios in good working order was the job of the radio operator. There was a lot of radio equipment in the B-17 that allowed for both communications and navigation. He maintained a log and was often the photographer of the crew. A good radio operator knew his equipment inside out. He was also a gunner.
- Simply, the flight engineer knew the all equipment on the B-17 better than the pilot and any other crew member from the engines to the radio equipment to the armament to the engines to the electrical system and to anything else. Many flight engineers served as maintenance crew chiefs before moving to the position of a B-17 flight engineer. The flight engineer was also the top turret gunner.
- A typical crew had four gunners, sometimes less. In a configuration of four gunners there were two waist gunners (right and left), a tail gunner, and a ball turret gunner. The two waist gunners station was in the middle of the plane. As the name implies, the tail gunner’s position was in the tail and the ball turret gunner (a small man) position was in a turret underneath the B-17. Each gunner was responsible for their own armament and ensuring that their guns were in working order.
By this time I have read more than a few stories in various books written by WW II veterans who served as crew members on a B-17 (I'll post a list of references later). I have been deeply moved by what I read and along the way I learned about what these various crew members did. I was looking for something on the web that could give you some of what I got through the books I read. Fortunately, I found an excellent interactive graphic of crew positions in the B-17 maintained by the EAA who a restored B-17 Aluminum Overcast.
Keep in mind that what I provide here and in future articles in this series on the B-17 in WW II is an overview along some websites where you may go for more information. For example, It is not my intent to delve into specifics of formation flying on bombing runs. Nor do I delve into the specific responsibilities of the crew of the plane leading the bombing run in regards to specifics like navigation and sighting the bomb target where the other planes in formation are following the lead plane; however the appropriate crew members of the planes following the lead plane had to know where they were and where the bombing target was in the event that something happened to the lead plane.
There is a wealth of information out there on heavy bombers in WW II, both on the web and in print form. I am barely touching the surface.
Next up - flying the B-17.
I want to see a picture of my brother Staff Sgt. Lawrence George Joslin with his
ReplyDeletecrew in front of a B-17 stationed in England, 1941-1944. He was a bombadier and
tail gunner. Thank you. Shirley Annis Joslin
Aww, gee, I wish that had a picture for you, but I do not, nor was I able to find a picture for you. While I acquired some knowledge of B-17 groups based in England during WW II, I am far from having the sort of expertise to find a picture for you. I am sorry to disappoint.
ReplyDeleteI am assuming, and I could be wrong, that your brother served with the Eighth Army in England. If you know the bomber group that he was in you might be able to find some information on the internet. For more information on B-17 Units in WW II see copy and paste the following link to a wikipedia article into your browser: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-17_Flying_Fortress_units_of_the_United_States_Army_Air_Forces
I did spend a couple of hours trying to see what I could find on your brother on the internet but found nothing that will help you. However here are some internet sites that I found that you or your family might try if you haven’t already: WW II enlistment info (hint enter Joslin#Lawrence in the search field, a Government site where family members can request military personal records, Army Airforce Forums of WW II (Lots of information, they might be helpful), Military Indexes of WW II (you can search), and Eighth Air Force Historical Society (Good information!).
These sources may not lead you to photos, but might help you find more specific information, and with that specific information you might be able to find a photo of your brother, his crew, and one of his B-17s.
Good luck! Sorry that I am not more helpful
Joslin,
ReplyDeleteI am sorry that I am not able to be of more help to you. I tried to find some useful links for you that I provided in the preceding comment. I hope that these links might ultimately lead to the photo of your brother that you are looking for. In the meantime, I will look through the B-17 posts that I wrote to see if there is anything there that might be help you. If I find something, I'll make a follow-up comment. Please forgive the lack of a salutation in my earlier comment, Google and I were having an argument as I tried to edit my comment. Google won. And Google completely choked when I tried to include a link to the wikipedia article on B-17 units in World War II. I wish you the best of luck.
Tyler
Our uncle was a B17 crew member. His pictures list him as a E position and a CC position. What do these st as nd for?
ReplyDeleteMy anonymous friend wrote, "Our uncle was a B17 crew member. His pictures list him as a E position and a CC position. What do these stand for?"
ReplyDeleteI am not sure what E and CC positions are. These are abbreviations that I either don't recall or was not familiar with when I wrote this article. I could take a wild guess and wonder if E stands for engineer? I don't know what CC stands for. I will take a look through the two books I have at home and if I come up with anything in the way of a possible answer, I will comment bac,